PC Prone poll-Pro`s and Con`s-

[BrokenMachine]

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I don't mind really, every game experiments with new concepts and ideas.
If we stuck to the same thing every time there would be no change, just re-skins.
So i will just have too see, however i will not rage if they choose to leave it out.

Its not a new concept or new idea otherewise Doom was way ahead of its time as it had no prone AND no crouch. Is that gonna be the next step as crouch slows the game too much?

Also there are plenty of new additions such as the improved damage modelling, different vehicles and weapons, etc. So no I don't think it would be the same game just reskinned.

If anything I think its a backward step for a FPS.

[Chris_Redfield]

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I'm not sure what you mean by BC be faster on PC?

They claimed the game was a campfest on consoles with prone. On PC, you dont need to take away prone to speed the game up.

[The_Eliminator]

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Although i agree that yes it doesnt exactly slow the game down on PC, people are failing to forget that BC1 was just fine without prone, not once was i in a situation where i thought it would have helped me.

[Minmaster]

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people are failing to forget that BC1 was just fine without prone

that's just your opinion, because i have seen at least 2 people here that played BC1 and they said prone was sorely missed.

[Deesies]

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Although i agree that yes it doesnt exactly slow the game down on PC, people are failing to forget that BC1 was just fine without prone, not once was i in a situation where i thought it would have helped me.

No it wasn't. There are plenty times I wish I could go prone in BC1. It's going to be worse in BC2 when you can't hide behind anything for too long.

[BrokenMachine]

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They claimed the game was a campfest on consoles with prone. On PC, you dont need to take away prone to speed the game up.

I think your misunderstanding the problem. You see BC2 on consoles is limited to 24 players so if you have a few people camping then there isn't very many people left to take the flags or whatever game mode your playing. With the PC there is a bigger player count so a few people camping doesn't matter as much. They never said anything about a campfest and this problem has nothing to do with the speed of the game (gameplay might be a better word). Basically they want to keep more people fighting rather than lying in a bush waiting for someone to walk past their sights. You still get people camping in BC and 1943 so this didn't "solve" the problem of the speed of gameplay.

There are a couple of solutions that doesn't mean prone has to be omitted:

Increase the player count - I think this is the best solution as it makes everyone happy :). I was suprised to see that the PC version didn't have prone because of the larger player count and its kinda funny that there now seems to be a lot more people complaining about prone.

Make the maps smaller or more built up - This keeps the battles close together and makes it less favourable to be a sniper as buildings get in the way. I'm not fond of really small maps but it is an alternative.

Get rid of the sniper class - This would end most of the camping problem but I like sniping as I'm sure a lot of other people do.

Less points for kills and more for teamwork - Battlefield has always encouraged team play. Now make even more important and give more points for team related actions and less points for kills. Less reason to be a sniper if you want to do well on the scoreboard.

[Minmaster]

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Pro's of prone: no more pro-prone complaints

[L3adcannon]

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If the weapons are accurate and deadly enough (CoD4) to deal with insta-proning tossers then yeah, add it.

[[GCA]Tim270]

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I dont see it as a huge problem, will have to see when it comes to the public.

[Chris_Redfield]

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BrokenMachine, you just said the exact same thing I said, except youre trying to argue with me :laugh:
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You see BC2 on consoles is limited to 24 players so if you have a few people camping then there isn't very many people left to take the flags or whatever game mode your playing.

Heres the simple rundown. DICE said prone slowed the game pace down on consoles (aswell as adding a number of technical issues like not being able to see the players because of low-res). Consoles have fewer players, yes. The fact that PC will have more players is common sense and old news. The fact that PC will have more players should by default be an argument for prone as you will find enough people to go for action anyway.

They never said anything about a campfest and this problem has nothing to do with the speed of the game (gameplay might be a better word).

"Campfest" was a simplified term. They said everyone was using prone to camp and this slowed the game down.

Make the maps smaller or more built up - This keeps the battles close together and makes it less favourable to be a sniper as buildings get in the way. I'm not fond of really small maps but it is an alternative.

You dont have to make the maps smaller. You just have to set a few flags strategically closer to each other to condense the action. Making maps smaller is not a great solution. Try flanking in COD4 on Overgrown with 5 vs 5, then do the same with 25 vs 25.

Get rid of the sniper class - This would end most of the camping problem but I like sniping as I'm sure a lot of other people do.

I love playing sniper, occasionally. And BFBC2 M24 action from the videos was badass.

Less points for kills and more for teamwork - Battlefield has always encouraged team play. Now make even more important and give more points for team related actions and less points for kills. Less reason to be a sniper if you want to do well on the scoreboard.

Points dont solve a thing. When Im in a game, its not the points Im after, its the KDR. If you want people to focus on objectives, get rid of the scorescreen altogether. But this will just make most of the public players mad.

[BrokenMachine]

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BrokenMachine, you just said the exact same thing I said, except youre trying to argue with me :laugh:

I'm not trying to argue with you. We've obviously just misunderstood each other. Either way DICE have never said it was a campfest or that EVERBODY was camping just that some people were and it slowed the game down.

Here's what David Goldfarb said "there will be no prone.. we tried it many times and decided it didn't feel right for the dynamic, destructible world we made."

If you played the console versions of BC and 1943 you would already know that people will camp regardless of whether they can prone or not. Its the fact they want to be a sniper. The class itself encourages camping.

If you look at MAG they have a totally different points system which is more focused on team play. K/D ratio's are usually a lot lower than BF and winning the round means helping your team not just endlessly killing soldiers. So I do think that gamers want more than K/D ratio even if you don't. If you want that then go play Quake or something.

[Chris_Redfield]

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L4D encourages active teamwork and does not promote selfish behaviour with a scorescreen. And why should I play Quake if I think KDR is more important for me than points which have no meaning whatsoever? A high KDR is a personal victory.

[Kylee!]

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Once you play the game - it'll be fine either way. Don't worry about it guys...

[Rugerdog]

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Consider the attacker-defender balance when you have enterable buildings and so many more objects scattered around the environment before you jump aboard the prone bandwagon.

[BrokenMachine]

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L4D encourages active teamwork and does not promote selfish behaviour with a scorescreen. And why should I play Quake if I think KDR is more important for me than points which have no meaning whatsoever? A high KDR is a personal victory.

I'm just saying that if you consider K/D ratio the be all and end all then why not play a game that is all about K/D ratio as it would be more of a challange than playing against people who are trying to take flags, gold chests, etc as well as trying to kill you. Especially if all your doing is trying to kill them and not taking flags, chests, etc.

I personally think that most BF players look at more than just K/D ratio's. In order to win a game of BF you need to work as a team therefore just killing lots of people isn't enough to gain a victory. Like you say L4D encourages teamplay (I've never played it) so there are games that don't consider K/D ratio's that important. That being said I go back to my suggestion that giving more points for teamwork rather than K/D ratio (Which lets face it is what the sniper class is about) might discourage players from camping all the time. I think its a better alternative than having no prone in the game anyway.